Ring Game Rake Testers Needed

by Betcoin Jessica on December 10th, 2015

We have been informed that a few of the ring game tables were off in the cap, not the percentage. Please test the ring game tables and provide your feedback on rake figures. We went back through the code and had to make some adjustments, but we want to make sure it is 100% accurate. Daily coin tickets for good feedback please.

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21 Comments

SickMetaGame: Micro feedback
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 01:15

I did put in some sample in Barcelona 6-max Holdem table 0.02 / 0.04

Rake and Cap seems on point (0.50 cap)
------ Summary ------
Pot: 3.05. Rake 0.07
Board: [Jh 8s 3c 7c 8c]
*Player SickMetaGame shows: Two pairs. Qs and 8s [Qc Qs]. Bets: 1.56. Collects: 3.05. Wins: 1.49.
Player fatjo1 shows: One pair of 8s [Ah 10d]. Bets: 1.56. Collects: 0. Loses: 1.56.
Game ended at: 2015/12/9 20:52:0
------ Summary ------
Pot: 3.05. Rake 0.07
Board: [Jh 8s 3c 7c 8c]
*Player SickMetaGame shows: Two pairs. Qs and 8s [Qc Qs]. Bets: 1.56. Collects: 3.05. Wins: 1.49.
Player fatjo1 shows: One pair of 8s [Ah 10d]. Bets: 1.56. Collects: 0. Loses: 1.56.
Game ended at: 2015/12/9 20:52:0

------ Summary ------
Pot: 1.02. Rake 0.02
Board: [2d 2s 10s 6d 8s]
Player djn shows: Three Of Kind of 2s [9c 2c]. Bets: 0.52. Collects: 0. Loses: 0.52.
*Player SickMetaGame shows: Three Of Kind of 2s (kicker K) [2h Kc]. Bets: 0.52. Collects: 1.02. Wins: 0.50.
Game ended at: 2015/12/9 21:2:52

I am going to add review as I play some other limits on this as well. Main reason seemed to be capping. It seems to be on point at lower stakes, TBA about higher.

SMG

SickMetaGame: Double...
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 01:17

Posted one summary
------ Summary ------
Pot: 3.63. Rake 0.09
Board: [6c Ah 9s 8c Ks]
Player zamarron shows: One pair of 6s [Qd 6s]. Bets: 1.84. Collects: 0. Loses: 1.84.
*Player SickMetaGame shows: One pair of 10s [10h 10d]. Bets: 1.84. Collects: 3.63. Wins: 1.79.
Player fatjo1 does not show cards.Bets: 0.04. Collects: 0. Loses: 0.04.
Game ended at: 2015/12/9 20:48:52

SMG

michigan1: concure
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 01:21

smg is correct im sitting playin right next to him

DINGDINGDING123: what is the rake suppose to
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 03:08

what is the rake suppose to be some tables are 30cents, 50c, 1 mbtc, 2mbtc, and 5 mbtc cap .... so it is all confusing and weird.....

Mentat: weezy when have you ever made
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 06:43

weezy when have you ever made a single post that was not confusing, weird, or retarded?

PokeHerStars: Cap doesn't seem to be working at Casablanca
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 12:07

Gunt joined and started flipping with me on Casablanca (NL10), allowing this test to be done. It was only when I looked back at a sick hand, that I realized the cap isn't working on it. Some examples:

A sick flip with 3 players in the pot (should be 0.5 cap), 1.91 rake: https://bpaste.net/show/d355fc43074e

With 4 players, it seemed to be capped at 2.0 rake (or am I seeing this because 4 * 0.5): https://bpaste.net/show/0b8364215232 and https://bpaste.net/show/7afbd9afa42e

I hope this helps. If anyone needs more HH let me know criteria (how many players, etc), and I can start looking through all-in hands in PT4 to copy/paste here.

PokeHerStars: Got a weird message when posting
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 12:09

I got a message on the homepage after posting this that said "This account is too old to be disabled." I'm not sure if it's a bug or something else going on.

PokeHerStars: Sorry for the spam,
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 12:17

but I just realized I can't edit the post above. When I said "in the pot," I meant "at the table."

dearborn: This pot cap
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:41

Game started at: 2015/12/10 17:35:26
Game ID: 10731358 0.25/0.50 Rome (Hold'em)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 4: LetsGumbol (91.48).
Seat 7: mesz21 (87.15).
Seat 8: dearborn (68.42).
Seat 9: luismelo4 (51.09).
Player LetsGumbol has small blind (0.25)
Player mesz21 has big blind (0.50)
Player LetsGumbol received a card.
Player LetsGumbol received a card.
Player mesz21 received a card.
Player mesz21 received a card.
Player dearborn received card: [Jc]
Player dearborn received card: [Js]
Player luismelo4 received a card.
Player luismelo4 received a card.
Player dearborn raises (1.50)
Player luismelo4 folds
Player LetsGumbol raises (4.25)
Player mesz21 folds
Player dearborn raises (13)
Player LetsGumbol allin (86.98)
Player dearborn allin (53.92)
Uncalled bet (23.06) returned to LetsGumbol
*** FLOP ***: [6d As 2s]
*** TURN ***: [6d As 2s] [Jh]
*** RIVER ***: [6d As 2s Jh] [Jd]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 134.33. Rake 3. JP fee 0.01
Board: [6d As 2s Jh Jd]
Player LetsGumbol shows: Two pairs. As and Js [Kh Ah]. Bets: 68.42. Collects: 0. Loses: 68.42.
Player mesz21 does not show cards.Bets: 0.50. Collects: 0. Loses: 0.50.
*Player dearborn shows: Four of kind of Js [Jc Js]. Bets: 68.42. Collects: 134.33. Wins: 65.91.
Player luismelo4 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
Game ended at: 2015/12/10 17:36:7

hamrhank666: rake tester
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 22:56

ive found it very efficient for the stake u play its not to high and not to lo just right

Betcoin Andrew: Excellent feedback guys and
Thu, 12/10/2015 - 23:19

Excellent feedback guys and we are continue to work on this further. Please check your poker tickets for those of you who have provided quality feedback.

WhateverWorks: None of 1/2 , 2/4, 3/6, 4/8, 5/10 NLandPLO are raked normally !!
Fri, 12/11/2015 - 18:05

HU, cap appears to be 5mB on all NL and PLO tables (I play 1/2 + )
When a 6max is filled, cap seems to be 6mB....
Hopefully you can please fix this asap...
3 Handed Cap can be as high as 8mB !

Here's an example, but I've seen wrong (and way too high) cap on every single hand I looked, wich includes anything NL or PLO 1/2, 2/4, 4/8 and 5/10 , wether it'd be HU, 3handed or 6max !!!

Game started at: 2015/12/6 2:10:39
Game ID: 10629183 5/10 Zurich - 2 (Hold'em)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: BROOM (1010).
Seat 3: slowah (1552.01).
Seat 4: WhateverWorks (4072.63).
Player BROOM has small blind (5)
Player slowah has big blind (10)
Player BROOM received a card.
Player BROOM received a card.
Player slowah received a card.
Player slowah received a card.
Player WhateverWorks received card: [Qh]
Player WhateverWorks received card: [Ks]
Player WhateverWorks raises (20)
Player BROOM folds
Player slowah raises (70)
Player WhateverWorks calls (60)
*** FLOP ***: [2h 10c Ac]
Player slowah checks
Player WhateverWorks bets (80.44)
Player slowah calls (80.44)
*** TURN ***: [2h 10c Ac] [Jh]
Player slowah checks
Player WhateverWorks bets (310)
Player slowah raises (790)
Player WhateverWorks allin (3602.19)
Player slowah allin (601.57)
Uncalled bet (2520.62) returned to WhateverWorks
*** RIVER ***: [2h 10c Ac Jh] [8c]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 3101.02. Rake 8
Board: [2h 10c Ac Jh 8c]
Player BROOM does not show cards.Bets: 5. Collects: 0. Loses: 5.
Player slowah shows: Three Of Kind of Js [Jd Js]. Bets: 1552.01. Collects: 0. Loses: 1552.01.
*Player WhateverWorks shows: Straight to A [Qh Ks]. Bets: 1552.01. Collects: 3101.02. Wins: 1549.01.
Game ended at: 2015/12/6 2:11:41

Betcoin Andrew: Excellent Rakeback feedback
Fri, 12/11/2015 - 18:50

Excellent Rakeback feedback guys. It's all accurately configured and we have programmers and software providers looking into this specifically as this is a high priority. If you have provided good feedback and have not got a daily coin ticket submit a support ticket and we will get you taken care of. Programming is on this.

DINGDINGDING123: thanks for fixing this.....
Fri, 12/11/2015 - 19:29

thanks for fixing this..... pot was raked at 3 chips for 2400 pot which is perfect imo.

layer DINGDINGDING123 bets (735.69)
Player goat420 calls (735.69)
Player VascoBorden allin (309.37)
------ Summary ------
Pot: 2516.44. Rake 3
Board: [Ah 5s 6c 6d 8s]
*Player goat420 shows: One pair of 6s [Js 3c 2s 10h] Low hand (A 2 3 5 6 ).Bets: 981.92. Collects: 1258.22. Wins: 276.30.
*Player VascoBorden shows: Full House (A/6) [Ac Ad Kc 3d]. Bets: 555.60. Collects: 831.90. Wins: 276.30.
*Player DINGDINGDING123 shows: Full House (6/5) [5d 4s 3h 6s]. Bets: 981.92. Collects: 42

dooglus: refunds for overpayments?
Sat, 12/12/2015 - 01:46

Will you be refunding players who have been overpaying rake?

Betcoin William: The rake is actually
Sat, 12/12/2015 - 05:37

The rake is actually programmed correctly in the system with the proper cap, but appears to be capping at 2 ($0.82) for most tables 5 ($2.14) for some tables and the highest of 8 mbtc ($3.43) for very few tables. To be clear this is still within the lower range of the caps for Poker Stars, Bovada, and Carbon Poker, but certainly not what we have on our rake page. There was a backoffice update that caused a variety of errors including the table starter and rake issues. This has been a very enlightening bug as most ring game players are still earning over 100% of the rakeback which is now more and the affiliates are also earning more.

We are working with the software provider to get this fixed and will continue to provide updates at Betcoin.ag. Refunding players who have been overpaying is a bit more complicated because most players are actually getting more than they should! Do we take this away from them and their affiliates? We thank you for your support and will continue to work hard everyday. We just want this to be perfect for all of you and we will keep working hard until we get there. Great action on the tables right now!

WhateverWorks: So from session yesterday : I
Sat, 12/12/2015 - 14:14

So from session yesterday : I was playing HU on 3 different NL tables
Zurich capped at 1mB ; Berlin and Lisbon capped at 0.3mB ....

Betcoin Jessica: Thank you for the feedback on
Sat, 12/12/2015 - 17:33

Thank you for the feedback on the rakeback WhateverWorks, it should be noted that you received over 100% rakeback as well and we should therefore be taking btc back from you, but this is our programming error therefore keep it and keep playing those tables and earning more rakeback! Good luck to everyone.

WhateverWorks: Thanks Jessica !
Sat, 12/12/2015 - 18:14

Thanks Jessica !
I've also played PLO without TableStarter (it's broken for PLO) and some NL session without it aswell so I think it's fair to call it even.
I just want to help you guys figure this out, hence me pointing that some tables are now underraked as far as Cap goes...

Betcoin Jessica: Very welcome WhateverWorks,
Sat, 12/12/2015 - 22:00

Very welcome WhateverWorks, the rake appears to be fixed, but this bug taught us a lot about our rake structure and some improvements that need to be made. We will follow up with more next week. Thank you to all the testers and feedback.

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