Setting the record straight

by jasonort on July 17th, 2016

I would like to set the record straight on how I feel I was treated by and their handling of my dispute with BetSoft. My words have been twisted and used by both sides in this argument (Betcoin Haters vs. Betcoin Shills) on forums all over the internet. I have had some time to reflect back on this whole ordeal and would like to share my perspective. Although I doubt that this will happen I will ask that neither side post my comments to the forums as evidence that Betcoin is good or Betcoin is bad. This is only for the players that play at this site and want to know the facts. I will comment here on Betcoin only. I am contractually bound not to comment in regards to BetSoft.

First I would like to say that overall I have no bad feelings towards Betcoin. I feel that although they did not handle the situation exactly the way I would have wanted them to, they did help me to reach a settlement with BetSoft. Without their help this may not have happened. Andrew and staff spent many hours trying to resolve this situation, and worked very hard for me. What happened was out of their control, and not their fault, but they should have perhaps handled things differently. Prior to this incident I would have given Betcoin an A+. They treated me well, and I felt like I was a valued VIP player. Afterwards I would give them a B+. I am still treated well, and I still feel that they value my business. The reason for this change can be summed up in one statement: Lack of Transparency. Although I feel that Betcoin was trying to help me behind the scenes, the problem was that it was not communicated and it was done behind the scenes and the details of what was happening were not shared with me. This is where I think that Betcoin should have done better. An honest open line of communication would have made all of the difference. I still have some questions which I would welcome Betcoin to answer for all of us so that we might understand better the relationship between the casino and their software vendors:

1. Explain the relationship between Betcoin & Software Vendor. When a player places a wager on a game exactly how does it work? Explain the chain of custody of the wager and who is responsible for paying the player for a win or taking the money from a loss. Who holds the funds for a progressive jackpot? What recourse does a player have if they feel that they have been wrongly paid?

2. Why does Betcoin censor or delete forum posts? As I said transparency is very important to me as a player. It is the foundation of trust. At the beginning of this dispute I tried to bring this vigorously to the public because I felt I had been wronged. I had forum posts and comments removed by the moderators and staff. Why? My opinion on this is that Betcoin does not want to bite the hand that feeds them (The software vendors). If they allow posts that are negative towards the vendors it could jeopardize their business dealings with them. I understand this, but Betcoin needs to understand that without the players that play here there is no business. The customer should come first, not the vendor. Unless it is outright offensive allowing the players to publicly state their opinions is important. Freedom of speech is very important to me. Allowing dissenting viewpoints and difference of opinion need to be protected. Having my speech censored made me feel as though the profits were more important than the player. This is where I feel that Betcoin dropped the ball. Do the vendors monitor your forums? If so what does that communication look like? Do they ask you to take down negative postings against them?

3. Although I cannot comment on the issue of my spin, what is your opinion? Should the spin as it occurred have won the jackpot? I want only a one word answer. Yes or No. No disclaimers. One word only. It is your opinion and not legally binding.

I know that these are tough questions. But answer them and you will be better for it. Be transparent and build trust with your players by answering them. It will only help your business, not hurt it. I do not post this to attack you. In fact I continue to play here, although I have taken a recent hiatus. I really enjoy the site. You have always treated me well, and hope to continue our relationship. Answer these questions and your grade may improve back to an A+.

On a separate and more festive note I would like to thank all of the players on this site who had my back. Specifically ungod & he who must not be named (Twitchy). They fought for me, not because they know me or have any stake in what happened to me, but because they understand that players need to be treated fairly. Because it could have been them or any one of the players on this site that this happened to. As a thank you Betcoin has debited 200mBTC from my account which I have previously announced will be used to fund a poker tourney. Andrew had committed to matching it with 300mBTC. I look forward to sharing this with all of you, and more than likely watching from the sidelines (I'm sure I will be knocked out early as I am not a very good poker player). Thank you to Andrew and the staff at Betcoin for allowing me to do this. I look forward to seeing you all on the felt.


P.S. Could you please add some additional slot gaming providers? I am somewhat limited by the games I am willing to play currently ;)

 Filed under: Casino


JennaROX: Thank you, Jason.
Sun, 07/17/2016 - 05:30

Jason, your opinions are so valuable, you are the only person who has experienced it all first hand. That being said, I am so happy that you are still playing at Betcoin. I have really taken a liking to this place and I am intrigued by the cast of characters here ~ unlike any I have encountered before. :)

I will be watching for details about your free roll ~ I appreciate both you and Andrew including all of us in your celebration! :)

ungod: im glad you got something
Sun, 07/17/2016 - 10:49

I'm also glad you put all those valid questions to Betcoin. They're all good points that need addressing, there is a huge lack of transparency here. Also, if that's you in the pic JennaROX, can I be your baby daddy?

ungod: bump
Mon, 07/18/2016 - 00:59


jasonort: Can I get an update on the freeroll?
Fri, 07/22/2016 - 17:59

I haven't heard anything back on the details of the freeroll. Could you please update everyone when that will be taking place?

Mentat: As soon as humanely possible
Fri, 07/22/2016 - 18:10

As soon as humanely possible we promise

plo8monster: Hey Jason :)
Fri, 07/22/2016 - 21:58

We are expecting an update to Betcoin during the first week of August. Following this update the freeroll will be announced and held on a Sunday shortly thereafter. It will be a minimum of 1 BTC...maybe more!

This will be an exciting free roll, and i will be asking for some added value prizes also.

Thanks Jason !!


jasonort: Why the silence?
Wed, 07/27/2016 - 07:12

It has been 10 days since I posed these questions. More than enough time for you to answer them. Why have you ignored them. Please answer the questions. After all that I have been through I don't feel that this is too much to ask.